Marie Kondo says that her life is messier with three kids. Like many other parents before her, Kondo has realized that the pressure to keep a house clean can be at odds with sparking joy in parenthood. "Sometimes there's a negative stigma out there that it's not ok to have a clean house when you have kids," she said. "I felt validated, in some ways, by Marie Kondo supporting that a clean, organized space is beneficial for mental health," she said. Sometimes, more kids means going to bed with a clean house rather than having one all day, but that's still important to Myers.

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