The birth rate in Italy has been declining steadily since the economic crisis in 2008, for reasons demographers agree is rooted in economic insecurity.
In France, the birth rate is higher at 1.8 children per woman, according to figures for 2022 from its national statistics agency.
The Catholic Church, which is a predominant political force, and the right-wing government under Meloni have both lamented the low birth rate, but have put up roadblocks to ways to remedy the situation.
De Luca blames the government for not doing enough for the younger generation, in part because decades of low birth rates have made the youth a minority.
Testa fears that the low birth rate is contagious.