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A lot has happened since. OpenAI, the makers of ChatGPT, recently dominated headlines again after the nonprofit board of directors fired C.E.O. But that drama isn’t actually the most important thing going on in the A.I. They’ve been closely tracking developments in the field since well before ChatGPT launched. I invited them on the show to catch up on the state of A.I.
Persons: ChatGPT, C.E.O, Sam Altman, isn’t, hasn’t, , Ezra Klein, Kevin Roose, Casey Newton, Newton, They’ve Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Tech, The Times Locations: A.I
It is too early to talk about a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians. Peace efforts in the Middle East have been tried over and over again. Aaron David Miller is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and the author of “The Much Too Promised Land: America’s Elusive Search for Arab-Israeli Peace.” Few people have been as intimately involved in the many Middle East peace processes as Miller. He’s a decades-long veteran of the State Department who has touched peace negotiations under the Reagan, the Clinton and both Bush administrations. His book is the best I’ve read on the peace processes and what went wrong.
Persons: wasn’t, , Ezra Klein, Aaron David Miller, Miller, He’s, Reagan, Clinton, Bush Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Carnegie Endowment, International Peace, State Department Locations: Israel, Gaza, Egypt, East
Opinion | The Sermons I Needed to Hear Right Now
  + stars: | 2023-11-17 | by ( The Ezra Klein Show | ) www.nytimes.com   time to read: +2 min
This is a conversation about the relationship between Jewishness and the Jewish State. About believing some aspects of Israel have become indefensible and also believing that Israel itself must be defended. About what it means when a religion built on the lessons of exile creates a state that inflicts exile on others. In these past few months, I’ve been moved by the sermons of Rabbi Sharon Brous, which have managed to hold these paradoxes with more grace and prophetic wisdom than most. (A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website.)
Persons: I’ve, Rabbi Sharon Brous, , Ezra Klein, Aza Organizations: Jewish, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Times Locations: Jewish State, Israel, IKAR, Los Angeles
A New York Times and Siena College poll released Nov. 5 showed Donald Trump leading Joe Biden in five of the six key swing states, with a notable jump in support among nonwhite and young voters. In response, Democrats freaked out. But then two days later, voters across the country actually went to the polls, and Democrats and Democratic-associated policy did pretty well. I asked Mike Podhorzer, a longtime poll skeptic, to help to help me understand the apparent gap between the polls and the ballot box. And as the founder of the Analyst Institute, he was the godfather of the data-driven turn in Democratic campaign strategy.
Persons: Donald Trump, Joe Biden, freaked, Andy Beshear, , Ezra Klein, Mike Podhorzer, Podhorzer, Organizations: New York Times, Siena College, Democratic, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Analyst Institute Locations: Kentucky, Virginia, Ohio
Earlier this week, we heard a Palestinian perspective on the conflict. Today, I wanted to have on an Israeli perspective. You can listen to our whole conversation by following “The Ezra Klein Show” on the NYT Audio app, Apple, Spotify, Google or wherever you get your podcasts. View a list of book recommendations from our guests here. (A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website.)
Persons: Yossi Klein Halevi, Shalom Hartman, , Ezra Klein Organizations: Shalom, Shalom Hartman Institute in, Palestinian, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Israeli Defense Forces, Times Locations: Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, Gaza, Israel, Oslo
Before there can be any kind of stable coexistence of people in Israel and Palestine, there will have to be a stable coexistence of narratives. And that’s what we’ll be attempting this week on the show: to look at both the present and the past through Israeli and Palestinian perspectives. [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on the NYT Audio app, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.] Our first episode is with Amjad Iraqi, a senior editor at +972 magazine and a policy analyst at the Al-Shabaka think tank. You can listen to our whole conversation by following “The Ezra Klein Show” on the NYT Audio app, Apple, Spotify, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.
Persons: we’ll, what’s, , Ezra Klein, Amjad, Benjamin Netanyahu Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Amjad Iraqi Locations: Israel, Palestine, Gaza, Palestinian
This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Emefa Agawu. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu and Kristin Lin. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. Special thanks to Sonia Herrero.
Persons: , Ezra Klein, , Emefa Agawu, Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker, Kate Sinclair, Jeff Geld, Claire Gordon, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Isaac Jones, Kristina Samulewski, Shannon Busta, Rose Strasser, Sonia Herrero Organizations: New York
“Two things are true: Israel must do something, and what it’s doing now is indefensible.” So writes Zack Beauchamp, a senior correspondent at Vox. Almost a month has passed since Hamas fighters slaughtered over 1,400 people in Israel and the state mounted its furious response. If Israel continues down this road, the cost in Palestinian lives, and in support for Israel, will be immense. Beauchamp, who has covered Israel extensively in recent years, set out to answer that question. I found his piece “What Israel Should Do Now” one of the best I’ve read since Oct. 7.
Persons: Zack Beauchamp, Israel, , Ezra Klein, Beauchamp Organizations: Vox, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Times Locations: Israel, Gaza
Opinion | The Conflicted Legacy of Mitt Romney
  + stars: | 2023-10-27 | by ( The Ezra Klein Show | ) www.nytimes.com   time to read: +1 min
After factional infighting dominated the G.O.P.’s struggle to elect a House speaker, it feels weirdly quaint to revisit Mitt Romney’s career. He’s served as governor, U.S. senator and presidential nominee for a Republican Party now nearly unrecognizable from what it was when he started out. At the end of his time in public office, Romney has found a new clarity in his identity as the consummate institutionalist in an increasingly anti-constitutionalist party. In this resulting biography “Romney: A Reckoning,” Coppins pushes Romney to wrestle with his own role — even complicity — in what his party has become. In this conversation, guest host Carlos Lozada and Coppins examine Romney’s legacy at a time when it may seem increasingly out of place with the mainstream G.O.P.
Persons: Mitt Romney’s, He’s, Romney, wasn’t, McKay Coppins, “ Romney, Coppins, , , Ezra Klein, Carlos Lozada, George, Donald Trump Organizations: Republican Party, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Republican, Tea Party, Trump Locations: U.S
So far, more than 5,000 Palestinians are reported dead and many more injured. There’s no one way to cover this that reconciles all that is happening and all that needs to be felt. So I invited Spencer Ackerman and Peter Beinart on to the show. Peter Beinart is an editor-at-large of Jewish Currents, the author of the Beinart Notebook newsletter and a professor of journalism at the Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism. (A full transcript of the episode will be available midday on the Times website.)
Persons: Israel, There’s, Spencer Ackerman, Peter Beinart, , Ezra Klein, Ackerman, Trump, Craig Newmark Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, The, Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism, Times Locations: Gaza, Israel
With four ongoing criminal investigations, Donald Trump is the most indicted president in U.S. history. After years of defying unwritten norms, he will now be subject to a criminal justice system defined by norms and precedents. Among the many commentators on Trump’s unprecedented legal troubles, White stands out for his “lawsplainers,” which analyze the gap between what the law says and what it actually does. This conversation walks through each of the four major criminal cases against Trump. Our guest host David French asks White why he loathes the overuse of the RICO statute and whether it was appropriately used in the Georgia election interference indictment.
Persons: Donald Trump, Ken White, White, , Ezra Klein, David French Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Trump Locations: Georgia, Florida
Opinion | A Skeptical Look at ‘Self-Care’
  + stars: | 2023-09-19 | by ( The Ezra Klein Show | ) www.nytimes.com   time to read: +1 min
Love it or hate it, self-care has transformed from a radical feminist concept into a multibillion-dollar industry. In 2021, 34 percent of women reported feeling burned out at work, along with 26 percent of men. In her book “Real Self-Care: A Transformative Program for Redefining Wellness (Crystals, Cleanses, and Bubble Baths Not Included),” she encourages people to look beyond superficial fixes — the latest juice cleanses, yoga workshops, luxury bamboo sheets — to feel better. Instead, she argues that real self-care requires embracing internal work, which she outlines as four practices: setting boundaries, practicing self-compassion, aligning your values and exercising power. Lakshmin argues that when you practice real self-care, you not only take care of yourself, but you can also plant the seeds for change in your community.
Persons: Pooja Lakshmin, Lakshmin, , Ezra Klein, Tressie McMillan Cottom Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google
Public libraries around the country have become major battlegrounds for today’s culture wars. In 2022, the American Library Association noted a record 1,269 attempts at censorship — almost double the number recorded in 2021. Emily Drabinski is the president of the American Library Association and an associate professor at the Queens College Graduate School of Library and Information Studies. This conversation unpacks the political and cultural anxieties fueling the attacks on libraries. Postal Service, how censorship attempts fit in the broader landscape of anti-queer and anti-trans legislation and much more.
Persons: Emily Drabinski, , Ezra Klein, Tressie McMillan Cottom Organizations: American Library Association, Queens College Graduate School of Library, Information, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, U.S . Postal Service
This summer has been a parade of broken climate records. June was the hottest June and July was not just the hottest July but the hottest month ever on record. What does it mean to hold the pessimism of climate disaster and the optimism of climate action together? [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.] There are few individuals better suited to navigate these questions than Kate Marvel, a senior climate scientist at Project Drawdown.
Persons: , Ezra Klein, Kate Marvel, David Wallace, Wells, Marvel Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google
These are the questions that have defined the national conversation about Covid in recent months. They have been the subject of congressional hearings led by Republicans, of G.O.P. Katelyn Jetelina is an epidemiologist and the author of the popular newsletter Your Local Epidemiologist. She argues that we’ve entered a new phase of the Covid-19 pandemic: “pandemic revisionism.” In her telling, the revisionist impulse seduces us into swapping cheap talking points for the thorny, difficult decisions we actually faced — and may face again with the next novel virus. [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.]
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It also processes the bulk of the so-called critical minerals, like lithium, cobalt and graphite, that are essential to building out clean energy technologies. There is no clean energy revolution without China. What would happen if China decided to weaponize its clean energy resources in the same way Russia recently weaponized its oil and gas? Is it possible for the U.S. to end its energy dependency on China by investing in clean energy at home? Bordoff is the founding director of the Center on Global Energy Policy at Columbia University and a former senior director for energy and climate change for the National Security Council under Barack Obama.
Persons: , Ezra Klein, Jason Bordoff, Meghan O’Sullivan, Barack Obama, O’Sullivan, George W, Bush Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Center, Global Energy, Columbia University, National Security, Belfer Center for Science, International Affairs, Harvard Kennedy School Locations: China, Russia
You can’t understand the modern Republican Party without understanding the complete collapse of trust in mainstream institutions that has taken place among its voters over the last half-century. Pew found that only 35 percent of Republicans trust national news and 61 percent think public schools are having a negative effect on the country. Many of the issues animating the modern right — from fights over school curriculums and learning loss to media bias and Covid vaccines — are connected to this deep distrust. In Katharine Ham’s view, America’s institutions have “earned” her party’s rampant distrust. So this is a conversation that explores Katharine Ham’s critique in order to understand the distrust at the heart of the Republican Party.
Persons: Pew, , Ezra Klein, Mary Katharine Ham, Katharine Ham’s Organizations: Republican Party, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, CNN, Fox News, ABC
Back then, the Republican Party was the party of foreign policy interventionism, free trade and cutting entitlements, and Trump was the insurgent outsider unafraid to buck the consensus. The primary, then, raises some important questions: How has Donald Trump changed the Republican Party over the past eight years? Is Trumpism an actual set of policy views or just a political aesthetic? And if Trump does become the nominee again, where does the party go from here? From these different perches, he has closely traced the various ways the Republican Party has and, crucially, has not changed over the past decade.
Persons: Donald Trump, Trump, , Ezra Klein, Ben Domenech, George W, He’s Organizations: Republican, Republican Party, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Fox News, The Spectator
The world economy has experienced many shocks over the past few years: A pandemic. But they’ve also overshadowed a set of deeper, more fundamental shifts — the rise of China as an economic superpower, the fracturing of trade relations, the realities of the climate crisis — that are transforming the global economic order and prompting ambitious policy responses from leaders across the world. [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.] Martin Wolf is the chief economics commentator at The Financial Times, a former senior economist at the World Bank and the author, most recently, of “The Crisis of Democratic Capitalism. Across his writings, Wolf has developed some of the clearest frameworks for thinking about how the global economy is changing and some of the sharpest critiques of how policymakers are responding to those changes.
Persons: they’ve, , Ezra Klein, Martin Wolf, Wolf Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Financial Times, World Bank, Democratic Locations: Ukraine, China
As I head into a three-month book leave, I wanted to take some time to address a wide array of listeners’ questions. My column editor, Aaron Retica, joins me for a conversation that ranges from the content of my forthcoming book and President Biden’s climate record to the simulation hypothesis and legalized psychedelic therapy. [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.] Note: Starting next week, “The Ezra Klein Show” will be releasing episodes only once per week, every Tuesday, until Ezra returns from his book leave in early November. These episodes will be hosted by a range of different guest hosts.
Persons: Aaron Retica, , Ezra Klein, Biden, Franklin Roosevelt, Hunter Biden, I’ve, Ezra Organizations: Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google, Congress, Twitter
When Barbara Kingsolver set out to write her latest novel, “Demon Copperhead,” she was already considered one of the most accomplished writers of our time. Kingsolver grew up in rural Kentucky and lives in southwestern Virginia. She wanted to write a novel about Appalachia from the inside, as someone who is a part of it and who grew up in it. “The story I wanted to tell was not about the big guys, but about the little people,” she told me. “Demon Copperhead” won the 2023 Pulitzer Prize for Fiction and has been widely acclaimed for the nuanced portrait it paints of life in rural America.
Persons: Barbara Kingsolver, , Ezra Klein, Kingsolver, Organizations: Humanities, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Locations: Kentucky, Virginia, Appalachia, America
It’s like there’s no point in asking who started this because it’s a really, really old antagonism. I think that’s probably what’s most critical right now is that all of our entertainment, our news media, it’s all made in cities. And he’s really pretty horrible, and he doesn’t feed them enough, and that’s really sad. You’re going to have a flat tire, and the guy that pulls up to help you is going to tell your dad within minutes. It’s not like most books you’re going to see.
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The New York Times Audio app includes podcasts, narrated articles from the newsroom and other publishers, as well as exclusive new shows, which we’re making available to readers for a limited time. Download the New York Times Audio app here. The state’s homelessness crisis has become a talking point for Republicans and a warning sign for Democrats in blue cities and states across the country. Last month, the Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative at the University of California, San Francisco, released a landmark report about homelessness in the state, drawing from nearly 3,200 questionnaires and 365 in-depth interviews. It is the single deepest study on homelessness in America in decades.
Persons: , Ezra Klein Organizations: New York Times, Republicans, Initiative, University of California, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google Locations: California, San Francisco, America
The New York Times Audio app includes podcasts, narrated articles from the newsroom and other publishers, as well as exclusive new shows, which we’re making available to readers for a limited time. Download the New York Times Audio app here. There are few actors as widely beloved as Tom Hanks. In playing roles including Chesley Sullenberger, Mister Rogers and World War II heroes, Hanks reflects back to audiences what we could be at our very best. [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.]
Persons: Tom Hanks, Hanks, “ Forrest Gump, Chesley Sullenberger, Mister Rogers, , Ezra Klein Organizations: New York Times, Philadelphia, America, Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google
The New York Times Audio app includes podcasts, narrated articles from the newsroom and other publishers, as well as exclusive new shows, which we’re making available to readers for a limited time. Download the New York Times Audio app here. systems are trained on copious amounts of human-generated data and designed to predict the next word in a given sentence. systems that mimic humans, we built those systems to solve some of the most vexing problems facing humanity? [You can listen to this episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” on Apple, Spotify, Amazon Music, Google or wherever you get your podcasts.]
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