As you both know, there’s a difference between documenting and investigating. At what point did you start to think, “There’s something worth investigating here”? PESPAS: We started realizing that the money wasn’t really being used properly, and we wanted to document that. Start a charity.”LIPMAN-STERN: We’d raise money for major police organizations ——PESPAS: Well, it wasn’t just that. So they would call you for firemen, then they would call you for veterans, then they would call you for the police.

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Persons: LIPMAN, STERN, —, it’s, Joe, ” LIPMAN Locations: United States, America, C.D.G